[Geowanking] Parcel power- Industry-Leading Provider Now Covers 3100 Counties
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Fri Jun 18 13:29:20 PDT 2010
Don't you mean www.closedstreetmap.org?
On Jun 18, at 12:24 PM, Ian White wrote:
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> From: geowanking-bounces at geowanking.org <geowanking-bounces at geowanking.org>
> To: geowanking at geowanking.org <geowanking at geowanking.org>
> Sent: Fri Jun 18 10:36:22 2010
> Subject: Re: [Geowanking] Parcel power- Industry-Leading Provider Now Covers 3100 Counties
> On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 11:00 PM, SteveC <steve at asklater.com> wrote:
> On Jun 17, 2010, at 7:18 PM, Webb Sprague wrote:
> > As long as the public data doesn't get tied up in exclusive access
> > deals, and remains free as both beer and speech, I don't have a
> > problem with aggregators like Core Logic. When it slides into an
> > entity selling data or providing it exclusively to a limited number of
> > companies, that's when my hackles get raised...
> Problem is, there's plenty of people ready to whinge about the lack free markets but very few Ian Whites to actually to do something about it.
> Perhaps we need an Ian White appreciation fund to offset the Google aura which gives them all the data.
> Or something.
> Something for sure. Thanks for your feedback, folks. Appreciate learning how the data aggregation business works (and doesn't). When I saw this news, I was reminded of ChoicePoint, and the history of abuse and irresponsible data management during the voter roll purges in Florida, and election debacles, etc.
> Hence, I raise my issues, albeit perhaps not very clearly (sorry), that you seem to have picked up on. Recent history reminds me that it seems prudent to ask the wisdom circles to rate these shockingly powerful, and sometimes AWEful companies on their track record of leadership and stewardship of human data... especially when control of the data can change hands so quickly.
> Appreciate any more feedback on the subject (GIS data control, public data/private management law, "do know evil" companies and wannabies), especially reading lists, untold stories, Tales from the Memory Hole.
> My desire to post was also stimulated by the thread Gulf Oil Spill Disaster GIS data locked behind BP Corporate Firewall
> Though my inclination is to remain positive and optimistic, I hope you understand that current events and reality provide so much evidence not to "trust" those entities who claim fervently and with much polished PR to be trustworthy... please augment my reality with evidence to the contrary! ;)
> ChoicePoint (previous NYSE ticker symbol CPS) was a data aggregation company based in Alpharetta, near Atlanta, Georgia, United States, that acted as a private intelligence service to government and industry. It was purchased in February 2008 by Reed Elsevier in a cash deal for $3.6 billion USD.
> ChoicePoint combined personal data sourced from multiple public and private databases for sale to the government and the private sector. The firm maintained more than 17 billion records of individuals and businesses, which it sold to an estimated 100,000 clients, including 7,000 federal, state and local law enforcement agencies (30 March 2005 estimates).
> However, this data had not been secured sufficiently to prevent theft of data on at least one occasion (see below). The company had also been the subject of lawsuits for maintaining inaccurate data, inquiries whether it allowed political bias to influence its performance of government contracts and accused of illegally selling the data of overseas citizens to the U.S. government. ChoicePoint was used to perform consumer and criminal background checks on prospective employees of the Obama administration.
> > On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 5:48 PM, Ian White <ian at urbanmapping.com> wrote:
> >> I'm not sure what the big deal is--it's typical American ingenuity...take
> >> something that is public, aggregate to the end of time, package and sell for
> >> a lot of money. I do it where I can. First American, LPS and other companies
> >> have a nice business in parcel data. It's a lot of hard work. They pay
> >> county government money for access and have significant data massaging
> >> operations. There's nothing any more sinister about CoreLogic than
> >> Experian/Equifax/Harte Hanks, etc...All these companies take 'public
> >> records'--DMV, arrest, tax assessor, credit behavior, etc....and create
> >> profiles of millions of Americans.
> >> ==
> >> Ian White :: Urban Mapping Inc
> >> 690 Fifth Street Suite 200 :: San Francisco CA 94107
> >> T.415.946.8170 :: F.866.385.8266 :: urbanmapping.com/blog
> >> On 17 Jun 2010, at 10:34, DNR wrote:
> >> Hi everyone, I'd like to hear your feedback on this apparent milestone in
> >> privately held public data aggregation, and what you think the impacts are
> >> of this one company having control of so much data. Does the fact that it's
> >> publicly traded make a difference in the legal challenges that come up with
> >> public access to data? How so? I don't know the subscription costs to access
> >> this data and how their product displays whether the data is from public
> >> sources, or their proprietary ones - does it all just blend together into
> >> their product? Anyone work with CoreLogic, or First American, which spun off
> >> into CoreLogic? What's their reputation? I'm hoping there'd be some First
> >> American Spatial Solutions employees here who could chime in. Who's watching
> >> this data maintainer?
> >> -D
> >> — Industry-Leading Provider Now Covers 3100 Counties, More Than 1000
> >> Counties Greater Than Its Closest Competitor —
> >> SANTA ANA, Calif., June 3 — (PRNewswire) — CoreLogic (NYSE: CLGX), a leading
> >> provider of information, analytics and business services, today announced
> >> that its industry-leading property level dataset now covers 3100 tax roll
> >> counties representing 99.8 percent of the U.S. population and 98.7 percent
> >> of all counties. With this expansion of county coverage, CoreLogic now
> >> exceeds its closest competitor by 1,000 counties.
> >> This public record county assessor data includes comprehensive
> >> property-level characteristics, land dimensions, legal descriptions,
> >> ownership, and tax and value information. This base information is then
> >> linked to a variety of transactional current and historical data, such as
> >> deeds, mortgages, pre-foreclosure and other involuntary liens as well as
> >> demographic, scholastic and trend information.
> >> "For our customers, data coverage, currency and depth are vital to their
> >> day-to-day operations," said George Livermore, group executive, data and
> >> analytics, CoreLogic. "This milestone enables our clients to access
> >> nationwide county-assessor-specific real estate data and leverage the
> >> growing suite of analytics built upon this information to grow and retain
> >> their business."
> >> CoreLogic maintains the most comprehensive repository of public,
> >> contributory and proprietary data in the United States, which combines
> >> property and mortgage information; legal, parcel and geospatial data; motor
> >> vehicle records, criminal background records; national coverage eviction
> >> information, payday lending records, credit information, and tax records.
> >> CoreLogic databases are continually updated and include:
> >> 98.7 percent of U.S. real estate property records
> >> 80 percent of mortgage applications
> >> 85 percent of mortgage loan servicing performance information
> >> 97 percent of loan level, non-agency mortgage backed securities
> >> 550+ million historical transaction records and data spanning more than 40
> >> years
> >> The nation's largest contributory mortgage fraud database
> >> The company's proprietary algorithms and modeling capabilities allow it to
> >> analyze these information assets and other multidimensional data providing
> >> clients with unique analytics and customized outsourcing services.
> >> About CoreLogic
> >> CoreLogic is a leading provider of consumer, financial and property
> >> information, analytics and services to business and government. The company
> >> combines public, contributory and proprietary data to develop predictive
> >> decision analytics and provide business services that bring dynamic insight
> >> and transparency to the markets it serves. CoreLogic has built the largest
> >> and most comprehensive U.S. real estate, mortgage application, fraud, and
> >> loan performance databases and is a recognized leading provider of mortgage
> >> and automotive credit reporting, property tax, valuation, flood
> >> determination, and geospatial analytics and services. More than one million
> >> users rely on CoreLogic to assess risk, support underwriting, investment and
> >> marketing decisions, prevent fraud, and improve business performance in
> >> their daily operations. Formerly, the information solutions group of The
> >> First American Corporation, CoreLogic began trading under the ticker CLGX on
> >> the NYSE on June 2, 2010. The company, headquartered in Santa Ana, Calif.,
> >> has more than 10,000 employees globally with 2009 revenues of $1.9 billion.
> >> For more information visit www.corelogic.com.
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