[Geowanking] OGC Rights Management Summit
steve at asklater.com
Sat May 30 14:58:58 PDT 2009
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On 30 May 2009, at 19:19, P Kishor <punk.kish at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 7:03 PM, Christopher Schmidt
> <crschmidt at metacarta.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 01:47:12PM +0200, Marc Wick wrote:
>>>> Do you think that ODbL is a suitable license for geospatial data?
>>>> it meet your needs?
>>> Definitely not. Data is either open or share-alike. It cannot be
>>> Share-alike data is NOT open. It is a serious restriction that
>>> innovation and most interesting use cases from the beginning. It
>>> makes users vulnerable to any kind of lawsuits.
>>> Don't get me wrong. Everybody has the right to protect their data,
>>> they should not call it open if they want to prevent others from
>>> using it.
>> This sounds like a classic "Viral" vs "Non-viral" discussion -- the
>> one in Open Source code would be BSD vs. GPL.
>> Is it your reasoning that the GPL is not 'open'? If so, then your
>> point here seems to be contrary to the point of the discussion.
>> SA enforces certain restrictions -- as does "Attribution". Saying
>> a license isn't open unless a user can do whatever they want with
>> it --
>> essentially, that only Public Domain is 'open' -- seems silly and a
>> counterproductive point in this discussion.
> First, no discussion is counterproductive (well, ok, some other, but
> this discussion is certainly not yet counterproductive).
> I may be misunderstanding him, but I don't think Marc suggested that
> _only_ PD is 'open.' I certainly don't think that only PD is 'open.'
> Of course, everyone is free to license their data under whatever
> license their jurisdiction allows them to license it under, and
> whatever makes sense to them. However, in the context of scientific
> data, I do believe that SA's viral-ness can create problems. Data, in
> my view, are the non-IP building blocks of IP. By making data
> available under a PD-like data mark, unrestricted innovation is made
> My view is -- think of what is served by the license you are about to
> apply. Do you gain anything? If you collect a few GPS points, what do
> you gain by licensing it under BY or SA or ND or NC? Are you going to
> become rich? famous? Are you going to ensure future innovation?
> I certainly don't believe that I will become rich or famous by
> licensing my data under a license that actually ends up throttling
> innovation even remotely. By putting my data out in a PD-like mark, I
> actually ensure that my data remains permanently open. In fact, PD is
> the most concrete assurance of forever-openness. Sure, someone else
> can take my data, add value to it, and make that value-added version
> restricted. So what? In fact, I believe that is a good thing, and
> because my data are in PD, everyone else in this world has the same
Stop taking the high ground. CC didn't succeed by lecturing us all
that things 'should' be PD.
> Anyway, getting back to SC's position on geospatial data... hopefully
> SC will have an explicit position on geospatial data that will make
> everyone happy and also promote the cause of forever free and open
I just don't get it, why do they need a position at all? Have I missed
something? I want license options like SA and NC and BY, not their
Did CC spend years on a 'position' before letting us have the licenses?
Really start listening, we are all not going PD just because you guys
think it's best.
> I don't speak for SC, but I do have a fairly good connection
> to SC in helping realize that vision, and I believe discussions like
> these will help.
>> Christopher Schmidt
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