[Geowanking] FW: 2010 census

[timothy brink]

It would take about two months for a team of 10 people, 5 cars, to drive and enter all that data just for the city of San Francisco.  That's assuming you already have the cars, software, and well trained staff.  If you wanted point addressing then add on another 4 months.  Its a lot easier to get parcel data from the city or county. 

Not sure about the cost but the time would be huge.  

From: ian at urbanmapping.com
To: geowanking at geowanking.org
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 12:08:31 -0500
Subject: Re: [Geowanking] 2010 census



















I didn’t think it would be *that* bad.

 

What if OSM raised a pile of $$$ from various interested parties
and got their own fleet of tripped-out google/nvt/ta/immersive media style cars
and drove the country and mechanical turk/offshore extracted relevant attribute
data? Any idea how much it could be done for? Hell, easily under 10% of what
Harris got. And it would get done a lot faster than their current schedukle

 



Ian White  ::  Urban Mapping Inc

690 Fifth Street  San Francisco  CA  94107

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From: Mikel Maron
[mailto:mikel_maron at yahoo.com] 

Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 10:04 AM

To: sophia parafina; Ian White

Cc: geowanking at geowanking.org

Subject: Re: [Geowanking] 2010 census





 





The most depressing, shameful thing I've read in a long
time. Also strangely encouraging.



Can someone start a shit-storm on this please? $1.3 billion?!!





 









From: sophia parafina
<creta.kano at gmail.com>

To: Ian White <ian at urbanmapping.com>

Cc: "geowanking at geowanking.org"
<geowanking at geowanking.org>

Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 8:05:30 PM

Subject: Re: [Geowanking] 2010 census



Harris Census effort == FAIL



http://blogs.zdnet.com/projectfailures/?p=660

http://www.govexec.com/story_page.cfm?filepath=/dailyfed/0509/052009mm.htm



Ethan Zuckerman's description of the device:



http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/2009/04/27/if-us-government-contractors-had-designed-the-iphone/



My understanding is that they are going to use paper maps, mark them up, scan
and georeference them back in, then heads-up digitize the changes. (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/03/world/americas/03iht-3census.11652877.html)



This is the part that irks me the most (from http://fcw.com/Articles/2008/04/07/Census-counts-on-paper-for-2010.aspx?Page=1)



"Despite the problems, Census awarded Harris two bonus fees under the
cost-plus contract. The company now stands to make $1.3 billion on the deal.
Gutierrez said that if Census officials had not decided to revert to paper
forms, Harris would have made $1.9 billion."



So yeah, Census, after giving Harris $1.3 billion, is implementing what
essentially amounts to http://walking-papers.org/



sophia



On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 2:38 PM, Ian White <ian at urbanmapping.com>
wrote:





Ok, I know this is an unnaturally practical topic, but I’ve been thinking
about Census’ 2010 project relative to address verification/TIGER data. For
those who don’t know, Harris Corp, Census’ long  time contractor for
census, is going high tech—Sprint is OEMing gear to Harris to enable remote
address verification and (I think) collection of other spatial data. There are
a few GAO and other reports (eg, http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d06272.pdf
and http://oversight.house.gov/documents/20080409144834.pdf)
that are critical of Harris’ approach/capabilities. 


 


Something I couldn’t resist: check out this HOT HOT HOT phone-type thing
that will be used for geocoding in the field: http://www.harris.com/images/fdca.jpg.
Apparently planning was begun in 2004 so there was no iPhone on the scene. What
a drag as I’m sure the app could have been developed for less than the $600m
contract (which is for the entire census, not the brick alone).


 


Who has details about TIGER for 2010?


 


 


Ian White ::  Urban Mapping Inc


690 Fifth Street  Suite 200 :: San Francisco  CA 94107


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