[Geowanking] Resend re: AR viewfinders & 3D geodata

Tue Aug 11 17:27:32 PDT 2009

Please pardon the many typos in the first rev of this msg. ( some are 
corrected below)

Mike Liebhold wrote:
> Stefan Keller wrote:
>> To me the problem is 1. Bad precision and 2. Lack of data.
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> Some quick thoughts on lack of interest on geowanking based on the two 
> problems you mention above:
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> 1."Bad Precision
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> We can safely anticipate precise positioning is on the way to being 
> solved, at least for outdoor urban apps. Google, Microsoft and Nokia 
> have all announced they are work on precise positioning of handsets, 
> by matching significant points in images with a stored datablase of 3D 
> points. A few weeks ago, at the GML Geoweb conference in Vancouver, 
> Michael Jones, from Google showed a  3D model google guys mashed up 
> from flickr images using something like MS photosynth. Aside from 
> Earthmine, which I already mentioned,  I know of several unnanced 
> projects to similar things, with much greater precision.
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> In any case, A lot of AR will work fine simply using a GPS and compass.
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> 2. "Lack of Data"
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> What's new?! In 2003 when Joshua Schachter launched  geowanking, there 
> was almost no geocoded web data, aside from his home grown GeoURL.  
> That didn't stop anyone on this list from experimenting. About the 
> same time Chris Goad, Jo Walsh, Dan Brickley and others created a geo 
> RDF,   Chris implemented  a  working demo  for us, at IFTF.org of  
> geoRDF web annotations with integrated vector shapefiles from  the 
> National Park Service. This demo, in '03 or '04 was the first full 
> blown demo of a geospatial web.
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> Since then,   People on  the Geowanking list including, Mikel Maron, 
> Andrew Turner, Alan Doyle, Raj Singh, Sean Gillies, Chris Schmidt,  
> Carl Reed, Ron Lake and others,  designed and implemented  GeoRSS 
> which has resulted in countless geocoded points, and sincel then, as 
> we all know google has promulgated KML which has resulted in milions 
> more geocoded points.
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> Summary: It's time to start again. We need a simple way of geocoding 
> augmented reality, and many ways of processing searching and  and 
> viewing  geo AR.
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> Historically, the geowanking community, has been the crucible of 
> innovation for a geospatial web.  ( see above)  Maybe five years ago, 
> everyone was out on the street, and hungry enough to build a totally 
> new ways to  experience spatial data., and maybe now everyone is 
> gainfully employed and too distracted to launch a second perhaps even 
> more interesting spatial web, viewable throught the viewfinders of our 
> phones, and later on, perhaps in eyeglasses.  If that's the case, then 
> we can all just sit back and let google build the whole thing without 
> us. Clearly their latest UI implementations in Streetview are part way 
> there.
> see: 
> http://google-latlong.blogspot.com/2009/07/zoom-photo-navigation-in-street-view.html 
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>> We experimented with indoor enviromnents based on our Indoor WPS
>> approach and server (see http://gis.hsr.ch/wiki/IndoorWPS). These are
>> some screenshots of an Android prototype:
>> http://dev.ifs.hsr.ch/indoorguide4android/wiki/WebDocu .
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>> So according to Mikes explanatory selection my answer is:
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>>> (X) d. Already into AR 3dgeo, not saying much about what we're doing 
>>> until it's ready.
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>> Yours, Stefan
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>> P.S. BTW I also was expecting bit more of response about my recent
>> thread about "Better auto-discovery in the Geo-Web through "see" and
>> "see also" links?" since I thought geo-search technology could be of
>> interest to geowankers. I still did'nt give up.
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>> 2009/8/4 Mike Liebhold <mnl at well.com>:
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>>> wow!  I didn't expect many replies  from busy people to my questions 
>>> about
>>> handheld viewfinder AR views of 3d geodata,  but given the staggering
>>> potential for AR as a radical new kind of mapping is mind-boggling, 
>>> I am a
>>> bit surprised that  in the 24 hours of my post, this normally verbose
>>> community has nothing to say.  Aside from a mild suggestion by Sean 
>>> Gillies
>>> of "democratizated service-oriented architectures of curation"  no 
>>> one else
>>> offered any thoughts at all about  viewfinder AR views of 3d geodata.
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>>> We can only guess why the silence:
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>>> ( ) a. Mostly into map views of geodata, not  very interested in 
>>> viewfinder
>>> AR 3d geo.
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>>> ( ) b. AR 3dgeo is interesting, but haven't thought much about it.
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>>> ( ) c. Have some ideas about AR 3dgeo, looking into it, waiting for 
>>> apis, to
>>> experiment
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>>> ( ) d. Already into AR 3dgeo, not saying much about what we're doing 
>>> until
>>> it's ready.
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>>> ( ) e. Have some ideas a bout  AR 3dgeo, but am too fr*&#n busy to 
>>> respond
>>> to random listserv e-mails :-)
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>>> whatever. AR looks like a fun, open frontier in both geoscience and
>>> geohacking, let's hope the foss gang gets there before goog & apple 
>>> own it.
>>>
>>> - Mike
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>>> Mike Liebhold wrote:
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>>>> This is a humble request for geowanker mappers and geocoding web 
>>>> artists
>>>> alike to join me to quiet our 2d cartographic minds for a minute to 
>>>> engage
>>>> in a little thought experiment about  handheld views of 3d geodata:
>>>>
>>>> Context:   The realtime tweetsphere  http://bit.ly/rZncR and 
>>>> youtubesphere
>>>>   http://bit.ly/UwQ3u are alive with news of handheld AR, [agumented
>>>> reality] capabilities & apps, and services. Besides layar and 
>>>> wikitude on
>>>> android, there are already a number cool hacks for jailbroken 
>>>> iPhones, and
>>>> veiled confirmations from apple that the next rev. of the iphone os 
>>>> dev
>>>> release for the 3gs will support AR app integration of gps, 
>>>> compass, and
>>>> graphic overlay of video cam views.  The viewfinder is becoming a 
>>>> new AR 3d
>>>> web browser.
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>>>> AR is here, if not today, tomorrow, but i suspect our geosphere is not
>>>> ready.
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>>>> questions for fellow geowankers:
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>>>> 1. What kind of geodata and locative media will be most useful or 
>>>> fun to
>>>> see geopositioned in 3d in our handheld viewfinders.
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>>>> e.g.  floating labels of things, animated directions, emergency 
>>>> alerts,
>>>>  news and ads to filter, cartoon games, visible clouds of wifi signal
>>>> strength, visible sensor net readings of air quality.. visible 
>>>> entry into
>>>> another colored polygon
>>>> of cartographic meaning, etc.
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>>>> 2. How will we search, view, create, and serve open 3d AR geodata?
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>>>> 3. What is the  prospective FOSS stack for 3dAR geoservices?
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>>>> e.g.  starting at the top with a 3D firefox or open layers equivelant
>>>> client down to a cloudwide RESTful deep geocoded web of linked 3D 
>>>> geodata?
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>>>> Just curious, what people are thinking these days . . .
>>>>
>>>> Mike
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