[Geowanking] Idea for a Neogeographers meet Paleogeographerspanel at Where 2.0
punk.kish at gmail.com
Mon Nov 24 09:01:23 PST 2008
On 11/24/08, M J <jmfoobar at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi, I lurk far more often than I post but here is my two cents on the topic.
> From Sean.Gorman
> > While I think neo's could benefit from the old work - I do not think it is
> a prerequisite. The work drew on the common language of mathematics and
> most of the neo's I know have a very solid background, often times far
> better than many modern geographers. While I do think the gap between neo
> and academic geography has been far over blown. I also think that the
> friction is not only the fact neo's are often not geographers, but possibly
> worse they embody the spirit of quantitative geography and what many current
> geographers view as positivist science.
> From Puneet Kishor
> > This is really a very thoughtful and completely spot-on response.
> > Availability of web-based mapping tools makes me a
> > *-cartographer/geographer as much as the availability of a power saw
> > and drill makes me a *-carpenter.
> There is a difference between the people who are *creating* the new
> geographic tools and the ones who are *using* them. Who of these two sets
> gets the title "neogeographer"?
> It would seem from the Where conferences that the people creating the tools
> are the ones with that title. They are creating tools for the masses who
> have not a clue about the geodesy, mathematics, and programming that went
> into creating the Google Earth spinny globe on the iPhone or Google Maps or
> all of the open source geographic (or otherwise) software out there.
> Or are my employeers, very well educated real estate professionals who can
> barely figure out how to add a marker to Google Earth to show their building
> locations for a virtual tour, the neo-geographers because they are using the
> new geography based tools?
> So who would the neogeographers, in the context of this panel, be? The
> creators of the tools or the mass users of the tools?
Both. You can create the tools, or you can create tools from the tools
someone else has created, or you can use the tools created from the
tools that someone else created... technology is allowing more and
more people to participate along the spectrum. Unless you are creating
a whole new language at the level of C or C++, you are likely using a
tool created from a tool that someone else created.
Similarly, the paleo to neo spectrum is populated by all kinds of
folks... the edge extremes whereby one kind piss on the other kind,
and the majority who work with the other kind.
If one wants to have a panel discussion that has extreme geo-luddite
jousting with teh toolz wanker, sure there will be much gratuitous fun
to be had. That in itself could be a noble pursuit, but not of very
lasting value perhaps.
Puneet Kishor http://punkish.eidesis.org/
Nelson Institute for Environmental Studies http://www.nelson.wisc.edu/
Open Source Geospatial Foundation (OSGeo) http://www.osgeo.org/
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