[Geowanking] Idea for a Neogeographers meet Paleogeographers panel at Where 2.0
Tim Waters (chippy)
chippy2005 at gmail.com
Mon Nov 24 07:21:35 PST 2008
A couple of pennies here too.
Neogeographers don't care what your background or job title is.
Origins - neogeography came first. Those in the traditional system who
didn't get it, or were opposed to it citing outmoded reasons for their
objections were dubbed palaeogeographers. E.g. someone saying 2 years
ago "OpenStreeMap will never work", and a national mapping agency
saying 2 weeks ago "You cannot use electoral boundaries on top of
Lane's email above is very illuminating, in particular the description
about some people fearing the influx of "new users". It's exactly the
same excuses I hear from academics to justify not releasing their
methodologies, models and data. For example, "I think you will all
agree that if anyone could do this simulation and thereby make a wrong
decision, it would be a bad thing". A neogeographer would not agree.
If everyone and their dog could use a complex model to place a new
supermarket, do we seriously believe the supermarket chiefs will
prefer to ask Mrs Jones at No. 20 instead of the experts in the field?
Neogeography should encourage all people to do intelligent analysis.
They use things like communities and crowds - solutions can be arrived
at together. It's not just about access to new shiny tools. It's
What's also interesting with hindsight is that the remote sensing fear
never really came to pass. At least in my perception. Perhaps the
experts with the most to lose did lose some of their number?
Is it a fear about crowds hammering at the ivory tower then?
So a Paleogeographer is identified by their opposition to
neogeography. Neogeography is more of a belief system than a job
description. The same with paleogeography. Therefore there are many
traditional or academic, or professional geographers who are
neogeographers (even if you don't know it!) Neogeographers don't care
what your background or job title is. Neogeographers love geography!
It's just a new way of practising some of it.
Another little observation:
It's all a very new thing! Remember to breathe! Academia works on a
slower timescale. Three or four years for the first research papers to
get published - it must be frustrating. As an example with another bit
of technology, SecondLife came out around 2003, research proposals in
2004, and it's only now we're seeing the fruit of this research, now,
when the virtual world is as empty as ever! (Anecdotally, I've been
told that such research is very hard to publish or talk about as
SecondLife was increasingly associated with Furries, gambling and
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