[Geowanking] latest observation on state of affairs
raj at rajsingh.org
Mon Jun 16 15:40:10 PDT 2008
+1 Stephen. The NSF discussion and the one you're trying to start are
some of the more interesting things on this list in the last few
months. Keep it up.
On Jun 14, 2008, at 12:31 AM, stephen white wrote:
> On 14/06/2008, at 3:43 AM, Mike Liebhold wrote:
>> stephen white wrote
>>> The challenge is ...to start considering some of the wider
>>> questions ...
>> Stephen given the general intellectual poverty you observe here, why
>> don't enlighten us all with the wider questions you see, and
>> research directions suggested by these big unsolved mysteries.
> I changed the subject line because you're framing the issue. This
> isn't about me flaming, this is about what we can do to get past where
> we're stuck in mash-ups.
> Look at the last 10 messages that freely criticise the NSF and how
> they're a decade behind the times. The NSF group would not be at all
> happy about those messages, and you are not happy about me making the
> same observations about this group. That's an interesting point all by
> itself. Why is it OK to criticise the NSF but not this group?
> To cut/paste selectively from some messages I wrote in private: The
> durability aspect is definitely one that we need to talk about more.
> The difficulty with the existing approaches is that it's at the crux
> of two totally different issues:
> 1) The specific interface of the mash-up means that data cannot be
> pulled out and used elsewhere.
> 2) A generalised approach to storing and retrieving data is needed,
> but lacks the usability of the specific interface.
> The way out of this conundrum is to come up with something that is
> generic enough for all data, while still allowing selection of
> interesting data. The objective is to make people seriously think
> along the lines of "how to make data universal despite specific
> interfaces". So it seems there's a few options:
> 1) Anything that assists in mirroring reality, placing data in
> virtual worlds (rather than a red dot on a map).
> 2) Anything that enables personal machines to capture, display and
> handle its own data instead of always on the Net.
> 3) Anything along the lines of general purpose interfaces that
> analyse data that it can handle, without limiting data it can't.
> Overall, stuff along the lines of specific data, specific interfaces,
> generalised data, generalised durability. There are two conflicting
> approaches at the moment and we keep falling into that valley of death
> every time a mash-up is made. :)
> Some meta-solution is needed to resolve the head-on collusion.
> steve at adam.com.au
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