[Geowanking] geosimulations

[Mike Liebhold]

Anselm,

Re: predictive modelling:

I don't know if he was at the VGI meetup, but Paul Torrens has a 
terrific book on Geosimulations.
 
see:http://geosimulation.org/

Paul, btw, will be presenting at both e-tech and where2.0 ( good call, 
Brady!)

Mike

Anselm Hook wrote:
> Hm, half the people at that event are on this list.
>
> I wonder how much discussion of predictive modeling there was?  I
> still don't see very much of this except for hydrologic or sediment
> flow analysis.  There's very little modeling of whole systems.
>
>  - a
>
>
> On Jan 3, 2008 11:17 AM, Andrew Turner <ajturner at highearthorbit.com> wrote:
>   
>> On Jan 3, 2008 1:41 PM, P Kishor <punk.kish at gmail.com> wrote:
>>     
>>> Andrew,
>>>
>>> Perhaps you don't care too much about the relations between the open
>>> source community and the "super elite and private VGI-dubbing" group
>>> that met at Santa Barbara, but, if you do, please note that statements
>>> like this are needlessly alienating.
>>>
>>> The meeting was well announced in various forums, including, I
>>> believe, on Geowanking. The meeting was open to everyone who submitted
>>> a position paper and application and got selected -- they had about
>>> 35-40 folks from all over the spectrum -- private industry (ESRI,
>>> Teleatlas, Google, Microsoft, Yahoo...), academia (too many to list),
>>> open source (myself, Steve Coast...), government (well, at least US
>>> govt. -- CIA, NGIA, CERL, Los Alamos National Labs), non-profit
>>> (National Geographic...). I don't consider myself super elite nor
>>> private, yet I was there. This was indeed the first, afaik, attempt by
>>> academia to recognize this "phenomenon" that we, in the open source
>>> community, have been living for the past many years. Nevertheless, it
>>> just seems bad form to disabuse or denigrate this initiative in any
>>> way whatsoever. Glib criticism is just that, nothing more.
>>>       
>> I apologize, my query was mis-interpreted. It was semi-tongue-in-cheek
>> jibing - at least in the specific words used. I was asking for an
>> summary, but I will offer the alluded to, non-glib criticism.
>>
>> I did think of the workshop as fairly 'exclusive' as opposed to
>> 'inclusive', being that it was limited in audience size and required
>> approval by a committee (of 2?) to attend. This does in fact make it
>> 'private'. I can understand reasons why this may be beneficial, at
>> least to promote a quality meeting, but at least admit that was the
>> reason. It was my own fault in submitting after the deadline and being
>> told the workshop was full.
>>
>> And not super-elite? Look at the list of attendees you summarized,
>> bunch of super-dupers in Geo world! :) (and not in a bad way). And
>> every participant is affiliated with a large institution (yes, even
>> Steve with OSM)
>>
>>     
>>> Here is my summary of the two days of meeting. I hope this helps
>>> capture what happened in that "VGI-dubbing" session --
>>>
>>>       
>> I really do appreciate the very comprehensive summary. So far, the
>> endeavor had felt kind of like a "academia now deigns to acknowledge
>> this emergent behavior" (as you inferred) and, at least speaking with
>> in my experience in academia, seeks to affix a new label to it. Other
>> articles/blogs have issued the same sentiment. Was there any
>> discussion of the differences between "Volunteered" and
>> "User-Generated" GI, because they are not the same thing, but there is
>> meaning in the distinction.
>>
>> I hope and look forward to more open discussion and presentation
>> around this topic and products from the workshop (and not just a $32
>> per digital copy article from GeoJournal. :) - We don't all belong to
>> research institutes or large companies that have unlimited access. )
>>
>> Anyways, I'll curtail my glibness in future criticisms ;)
>> Andrew
>>
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